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  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    Terry, Of course I agree that "symbols are not communities". (The label is not the thing!) However, I was interpreting the SBVR standard from the semiotic perspective. The SBVR standard lists the term "semantic community" and gives the following definition:       "(a) community ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Ken Evans on Tue, Apr 22 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    ORM, CogNIAM and SBVR are all fact-oriented approaches, and it is possible to define a common core metamodel based on an intersection of these approaches, and hence enable translation between useful subsets of them. ORM and CogNIAM have much in common, and the difference between them is not so much one of formality (as both can be given a ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Terry Halpin on Tue, Apr 22 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    Hi Roel, I don't know anything about UI and perFact so I can't comment. However, as I see it, although superficially similar, NIAM and ORM have a significant difference. For me, the crucial difference is that ORM meets the criteria required of a formal language. (See Terry Halpin's 1989 PhD thesis, ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Ken Evans on Mon, Apr 21 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    Hi Ken,  I'm not very familiar with ORM yet, but since 1989 busy with NIAM, UI and perFact. I suppose ORM is not that different is it's foundation. So I expect that any SBVR construct can be represented in some way in SBVR. I can imagine that ORM does not have a symbol for all of the present constructs of SBVR. The above ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Roel Baardman on Mon, Apr 21 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    Hi Roel, No - I don't think that as things stand, CogNIAM, SBVR and ORM2 (or ORM1) can be "translated into each other" ORM1 is a subset of ORM2 so that isn't much of a problem. However, to the best of my knowledge, There are many differences between SBVR and ORM that need to be resolved before any ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Ken Evans on Sun, Apr 20 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    My recommendation to the fact orientation community is to adopt many of the SBVR functionalities that are not available in CogNIAM or ORM. In CogNIAM we have last year added several SBVR functionalities. One of the sets of useful functionalities is around communities, both semantic and speech, bodies of shared meanings and bodies of shared ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Sjir Nijssen on Sun, Apr 20 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    It is possible when a certain set of rules or business practice is followed to transform automatically between SBVR, CogNIAM and ORM. Hence a certain form of Structured English, CogNIAM and ORM can be considered as SBVR compliant languages. Hence we can speak of three speech communities belonging to one semantic community. This aspect of ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Sjir Nijssen on Sun, Apr 20 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    Can we assume that CogNIAM, ORM and SBVR are 3 representations of business knowledge that can be translated to each other without any loss?
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Roel Baardman on Sun, Apr 20 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    I was asked: how can you say SBVR is a fact based approach? Well, first let me stress that SBVR adds very valuable functionalities to fact orientation proper. The fact based approach of SBVR is clear from Clause 10 and other parts of the spec. Look e.g in Clause 8, 8.5 There is only one fact type expressing what the contents of a fact model ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Sjir Nijssen on Sun, Apr 20 2008
  • Re: CogNIAM and ORM as business practices of SBVR

    For people interested in ORM, CogNIAM and SBVR, it is good to know that the SBVR Foundation holds a three day tutorial-conference June 9-11, Utrecht, The Netherlands. Go to the website www.sbvrfoundation.eu and you see that Terry gives a full day tutorial on logic as the base for SBVR. This is a unique opportunity to learn from the best expert in ...
    Posted to SBVR (Forum) by Sjir Nijssen on Sat, Apr 19 2008
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