The ORM Foundation

I started in graphic design work, a difference I suspect I have with many in the ORM community. So I certainly understand your parallels to the Adobe products. I would reckon that my usage of accelerators + gestures comes from my experience with products like Maya 3D.. talk about complex models (inside joke?) To be honest I just now tried a true ...

[quote user="Tyler Young"] When we were first developing NORMA at Neumont, tablet PCs were just starting to come about. A drawing surface was definitely on the "wouldn't that be awesome?" list, but it was pretty low on the priorities. I tend to model subsets of the domain in sequence rather than going through the entire ...

 Ken that view makes total sense, and it is certainly the kind of input I was wondering about. I will say that I as well don't at current visually create ORM models, part of that being because it does make the most sense to use fact entry as a way of expressing the concerns of the domain. I also feel that the CSDP is a good process and ...

 This is nothing more than a thought, aloud, to see what others may have also contemplated. The origin of this thought, is that during requirements gatherings in every enterprise or small office I've encountered, the only truly common theme is that individuals will quickly opt out of verbose language jarring into augmenting the discussion ...

Edit: I had typed out a long winded explanation of several things only to realize I hadn't really addressed your two questions.  1. Personally I have witnessed countless projects struggle, run over budget, and often fail entirely because they got the conceptual model wrong. This discovery is usually made late in the project lifecycle ...

 Ken do you support something more like Linq to SQL? I am working on a L2S project currently, and NORMA was used to create the physical model. L2S does a good job of generating a series of classes from the database, but the object model that you get is a one to one rendition of the physical model. The biggest benefit is basically automating ...

 That's a fair summary of my reply. I am not a visual studio integration developer, so I think the question of what VS 2010 could provide by way of NORMA, is a question best left to Matthew Curland and team. Perhaps there are no internal benefits, or maybe the DSL tools have improved in performance etc, I simply wouldn't know.

An existing NORMA user such as myself would benefit from having ORM documents correctly contained within my solutions, this becomes even more of an issue when source control is primarily managed via the IDE. As it is, I can manage by working on ORM in 2008 and the rest of my solution is 2010, but for obvious reasons this is not ideal.   As ...

 I'm also anxiously awaiting a release which we can use in VS 2010. I have no idea what degree of effort is involved in making the move, but I would be willing to contribute to the project in that way if it weren't an insurmountable challenge.

 I was able to get this fixed by deleting the fact in question, and recreating it, at which time there were a couple model errors that hadn't shown previously. I wonder if perhaps it was erroring out internally on that fact but suppressing any form of warning? Oh well problem fixed.